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sniperteam
02-03-2009, 09:57 AM
Have read this article before...thought it was worth posting again...
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"How to squat for HUGE ARMS"
By Stuart McRobert

Adapted from his best-selling book BRAWN

To build muscle mass, you must increase strength. It’s that simple. You will never get huge arms, a monstrous back, a thick chest, or massive legs without lifting heavy weights. I know that probably doesn’t come as a revelation to anyone. But despite how obvious it seems, far too many people (and not just beginners) neglect power training and rarely make increasing the weights lifted in each successive workout a priority. You must get strong in the basic mass building exercises to bring about a significant increase in muscle size. One of the biggest mistakes typical bodybuilders make is when they implement specialization routines before they have the right to use them.

It constantly amazes me just how many neophytes (beginners), near neophytes, and other insufficiently developed bodybuilders plunge into single-body part specialization programs in the desperate attempt to build big arms. I don’t fault them for wanting big arms, but their approach to getting them is flawed. For the typical bodybuilder who is miles away from squatting 1 ½ times their bodyweight for 20 reps (if you weigh 180 lbs., that means 20 reps with 270 lbs.), an arm specialization program is utterly inappropriate and useless.

The strength and development needed to squat well over 1 ½ times bodyweight for 20 reps will build bigger arms faster then focusing on biceps and triceps training with isolation exercises. Even though squats are primarily a leg exercise, they stress and stimulate the entire body. But more importantly, if you are able to handle heavy weights in the squat, it logically follows that the rest of your body will undoubtedly be proportionally developed. It’s a rare case that you would be able to squat 1 ½ times your bodyweight and not have a substantial amount of upper body muscle mass.

This is not to say that you don’t need to train arms, and squats alone will cause massive upper body growth. You will still work every body part, but you must focus on squats, deadlifts, and rows—the exercises that develop the legs, hips, and back. Once you master the power movements and are able to handle impressive poundages on those lifts, the strength and muscle you gain will translate into greater weights used in arm, shoulder and chest exercises.

In every gym I’ve ever visited or trained in, there were countless teenage boys blasting away on routines, dominated by arm exercises, in the attempt to build arms like their idols. In the ‘70s, they wanted arms like Arnold Schwarzenegger, in the ‘80s Robby Robinson was a favorite and currently Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, has set the standard everyone wants to achieve. Unfortunately the 3 aforementioned men as well as most other top bodybuilders have arm development far beyond the reach of the average (or even above average) weight trainer. But arm size can be increased. However, not in the way young trainers, with physiques that don’t even have the faintest resemblance to those of bodybuilders are attempting to make progress. Thin arms, connected to narrow shoulders, fixed to shallow chest, joined to frail backs and skinny legs, don’t need body part specialization programs. Let’s not have skewed priorities. Let’s not try to put icing on the cake before the cake has been baked.


Priorities
Trying to stimulate a substantial increase in size in a single body part, without first having the main structures of the body in pretty impressive condition, is to have turned bodybuilding upside-down, inside-out and back to front.

The typical bodybuilder simply isn’t going to get much meat on his arms, calves, shoulders, pectorals and neck unless he first builds a considerable amount of muscle around the thighs, hips and back. It simply isn’t possible—for the typical drug-free bodybuilder, that is—to add much if any size to the small areas unless the big areas are already becoming substantial.
There’s a knock-on (additive) effect from the efforts to add substantial size to the thigh, hip and back structure (closely followed by upper body pushing structure-pecs and delts). The smaller muscle groups, like the biceps, and triceps will progress in size (so long as you don’t totally neglect them) pretty much in proportion to the increase in size of the big areas. It’s not a case of getting big and strong thighs, hips, back and upper-body pushing structure with everything else staying put. Far from it. As the thigh, hip, back and upper-body pushing structure grows, so does everything else. Work hard on squats and deadlifts, in addition to bench presses, overhead presses and some type of row or pulldown. Then you can add a little isolation work—curls, calf raises and neck work (but not all of this at every workout).


The “Driver”
The key point is that the “engine” that drives the gains in the small areas is the progress being made in the big areas. If you take it easy on the thigh and back you will, generally speaking, have trouble making gains in the other exercises, no matter how hard you work the latter.

All this isn’t to say just do squats, deadlifts and upper back work, quite closely followed by some upper-body pressing work. While such a limited program will deliver good gains on these few exercises, with some knock-on effect throughout the body, it’s not a year after year program. Very abbreviated routines are great for getting gains moving, and for building a foundation for moderately expanded routines. They are fine to keep returning to on a regular basis. The other training isn’t necessary all in the same workout but spread over the week. This will maintain balance throughout the body and capitalize upon the progress made in the thigh, hip and back structure.

Just remember that the thigh, hip and back structure comes first and is the “driver” (closely followed by the upper-body pushing structure) for the other exercises. These other exercises, though important in their own right, are passengers relative to the driving team.


Big Arms
To get big arms, get yourself on a basic program that focuses on the leg, hip and back structure without neglecting the arms themselves. As you improve your squatting ability, for reps and by say 100 pounds, your curling poundage should readily come up by 30 pounds or so if you work hard enough on your curls. This will add size to your biceps. While adding 100 pounds to your squat, you should be able to add 50-70 pounds to your bench press, for reps. This assumes you’ve put together a sound program and have worked hard on the bench. That will add size to your triceps.

If you’re desperate to add a couple of inches to your upper arms you’ll need to add 30 pounds or more over your body, unless your arms are way behind the rest of you. Don’t start thinking about 17” arms, or even 16” arms so long as your bodyweight is 130, 140, 150, 160, or even 170 pounds. Few people can get big arms without having a big body. You’re unlikely to be one of the exceptions.

15 sets of arm flexor exercises, and 15 sets of isolation tricep exercises—with a few squats, deadlifts and bench presses thrown in as an afterthought—will give you a great pump and attack the arms from “all angles”. However, it won’t make your arms grow much, if at all, unless you’re already squatting and benching big poundages, or are drug-assisted or genetically gifted.

As your main structures come along in size and strength (thigh, hip and back structure, and the pressing structure), the directly involved smaller body parts are brought along in size too. How can you bench press or dip impressive poundages without adding a lot of size to your triceps? How can you deadlift the house and row big weights without having the arm flexors—not to mention the shoulders and upper back—to go with those lifts? How can you squat close to 2 times bodyweight, for plenty of reps, without having a lot of muscle all over your body?

The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body. Think it through. Suppose you can only squat and deadlift with 200 pounds, and your arms measure about 13”. You’re unlikely to add any more than half an inch or so on them, no matter how much arm specialization you put in.

However, put some real effort into the squat and deadlift, together with the bench press and a few other major basic movements. Build up the poundages by 50% or more, to the point where you can squat 300 pounds for over 10 reps, and pack on 30 pounds of muscle. Then, unless you have an unusual arm structure, you should be able to get your arms to around 16”. If you want 17” arms, plan on having to squat more than a few reps with around 2 times bodyweight, and on adding many more pounds of muscle throughout your body (unless you have a better-than-average growth potential in your upper arms).

All of this arm development would have been achieved without a single concentration curl, without a single pushdown and without a single preacher curl. This lesson in priorities proves that the shortest distance between you and big arms is not a straight line to a curl bar."

BIG-K
02-03-2009, 10:08 AM
Nice read bro thanks.

Wabbitt
02-03-2009, 10:15 AM
Great post! So now I need to squat 310 for 20 reps? Ready to puke just thinking about it:puke:

sniperteam
02-03-2009, 11:59 AM
Great post! So now I need to squat 310 for 20 reps? Ready to puke just thinking about it:puke:

LOL...my rule is "If I am not a little nasueated when I leave the gym, I did not lift hard enough:eek:"...lol

Bunny
02-03-2009, 06:39 PM
Nice! I like the images, thanks guys. :rolleyes:

Wabbitt
02-04-2009, 10:20 AM
Gee, thanks Sniper! I tried it this morning, and something went horribly wrong:eek:

Bunny
02-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Ohhh that is so bad!:p

Wabbitt
02-04-2009, 10:13 PM
Ohhh that is so bad!:p

Yeah, and to think you were there!:rolleyes:

sniperteam
02-05-2009, 11:14 AM
DUDE!!..that is messed up...Damn..

Wabbitt
02-05-2009, 11:20 AM
DUDE!!..that is messed up...Damn..

Yeah, but I didn't let that stop me! I just shoved em back up in there and worked through the pain:rasta:

Buck Wild
02-05-2009, 04:07 PM
Damn wabbs thats some nasty shit bro.

Bunny
02-05-2009, 08:13 PM
Yeah I just left so he could deal with that issue... nasty! LOL! :p

Wabbitt
02-05-2009, 09:33 PM
damn wabbs thats some nasty shit bro.

no pain no gain:d

aramik
02-06-2009, 05:12 AM
Awesome thread. Good info for me :)

Wabbitt
02-07-2009, 07:05 PM
I picked up this bb mag at the 7-11 the other day...mainly for the free calendar. It had an insane leg workout in it that we are going to give a whirl. If I can't find a link to it I will post it manually.

Ahh hell, they don't have it in their online mag. Anyhow, here it is!

Each exercise do 4 sets as follows:
Set 1(warm up) use weight you can easily do 30x, but only do 15
Set 2 use weight you can do 20x, but only do 15
Set 3(working set)use a weight that will achieve failure in 12-15 reps
Set 4(drop set)use a weight that will achieve failure in 8-10, then, immediately cut the weight to just above half, do another 8-10,drop the weight a final time to just over half and go to absolute failure, then hold the last rep in static contraction as long as possible.

The workout:

1. Lying hamstring curls(pre exhausts hams)
2. Stiff leg Deadlifts
3. Leg Extensions
4. Squats
5. Leg Presses
6. Hamstring dips
7. Walking lunges
8. Unilateral Calf Extensions-these are done differently...it's an endless set.
Use a weight to achieve failure in 10-12 reps with single leg.
Do 10 reps and hold the last extension for 5 seconds. Switch legs and
repeat. Do this 10 times for each leg...that's right, 10 sets of 10 reps.
He only does one set of calves a week using this method.


This is not beginner workout! We are going to start this next week...I will post our results and experiences.

sniperteam
02-08-2009, 06:05 PM
Damn it Wabb's!!...that is one hell of a leg work out...

Wabbitt
02-08-2009, 08:12 PM
Damn it Wabb's!!...that is one hell of a leg work out...

Well, we are going to test it out Wednesday.

sniperteam
02-08-2009, 08:19 PM
Well, we are going to test it out Wednesday.

let me know if you can walk on Thursday??:eek:

Wabbitt
02-08-2009, 09:44 PM
let me know if you can walk on Thursday??:eek:

Leg day is Bunny's favorite. She USUALLY leaves me unable to walk. Just figured some turnabout would be fair play:p

Buck Wild
02-09-2009, 08:44 AM
let me know if you can walk on Thursday??:eek:

I am ususally good the day after legs its the 2nd day that always leaves me walkin funny.

Wabbitt
02-09-2009, 08:53 AM
I am ususally good the day after legs its the 2nd day that always leaves me walkin funny.

We tried a similar routine for chest this morning...the 4 set deal! Man are my pecs hurting! I can't wait til Wednesday.

Gator
02-09-2009, 12:44 PM
I picked up this bb mag at the 7-11 the other day...mainly for the free calendar. It had an insane leg workout in it that we are going to give a whirl. If I can't find a link to it I will post it manually.

Ahh hell, they don't have it in their online mag. Anyhow, here it is!

Each exercise do 4 sets as follows:
Set 1(warm up) use weight you can easily do 30x, but only do 15
Set 2 use weight you can do 20x, but only do 15
Set 3(working set)use a weight that will achieve failure in 12-15 reps
Set 4(drop set)use a weight that will achieve failure in 8-10, then, immediately cut the weight to just above half, do another 8-10,drop the weight a final time to just over half and go to absolute failure, then hold the last rep in static contraction as long as possible.

The workout:

1. Lying hamstring curls(pre exhausts hams)
2. Stiff leg Deadlifts
3. Leg Extensions
4. Squats
5. Leg Presses
6. Hamstring dips
7. Walking lunges
8. Unilateral Calf Extensions-these are done differently...it's an endless set.
Use a weight to achieve failure in 10-12 reps with single leg.
Do 10 reps and hold the last extension for 5 seconds. Switch legs and
repeat. Do this 10 times for each leg...that's right, 10 sets of 10 reps.
He only does one set of calves a week using this method.


This is not beginner workout! We are going to start this next week...I will post our results and experiences.

Looks like a great work out might even cater to my needs minus the squats dead lifts and leg presses

millenium girl
02-09-2009, 03:34 PM
My coach says that sometimes the best way to get your biceps to grow is by not working them. I only do barbell curls with the new routine he gave me and it works.

sniperteam
02-09-2009, 09:10 PM
I am ususally good the day after legs its the 2nd day that always leaves me walkin funny.

about a day and 1/2 for me...then i am looking for ibuprofen, vicodin, weed...anything to kill the pain...lol:eek:

Big B
05-03-2009, 04:14 PM
My coach says that sometimes the best way to get your biceps to grow is by not working them. I only do barbell curls with the new routine he gave me and it works.

not working your legs or biceps? Gotta work arms to make em grow. Doing any body part will raise your testosterone, not to say legs (largest muscle) more than any other muscle groups, so no, doing legs will make your arms grow more....:D

aramik
06-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Doing legs will make your arms grow yes, but isolation is still a plus !

I think all people @ the gym not doing legs should just go home. It's hilarious

Shasta
06-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Bump. I don't even do arms rweally anymore. I may star a few excersizes tho
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Big B
06-04-2009, 01:17 PM
of course no one likes doing legs....ask Buck, he'll tell ya :rolleyes:

Buck Wild
06-04-2009, 03:19 PM
of course no one likes doing legs....ask Buck, he'll tell ya :rolleyes:

I dont mind them as much as i used to but they arent my fav.

Shasta i do biceps at least 3 times a week love doin bics. May not be but a couple sets just enough to get the blood in there for a good pump

Big B
06-04-2009, 06:38 PM
I dont mind them as much as i used to but they arent my fav.

Shasta i do biceps at least 3 times a week love doin bics. May not be but a couple sets just enough to get the blood in there for a good pump

doing legs are my favorite, especially squats...Buck does arms to make mine look tiny and get all the hot chicks to check him out...no wonder I don't get any of their attention.:fist

Shasta
06-04-2009, 07:32 PM
If I hit arms it would probably be more tris than bis
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Buck Wild
06-04-2009, 07:46 PM
If I hit arms it would probably be more tris than bis
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My elbows hurt like a mofo doin most tris exercises but i try and push thru.

Gator
06-04-2009, 10:12 PM
My elbows hurt like a mofo doin most tris exercises but i try and push thru.

Me too I can only do a few exercises that are tolerable. Headsmashers and dumbell overheads are out of the question.

Buck Wild
06-05-2009, 07:43 AM
Me too I can only do a few exercises that are tolerable. Headsmashers and dumbell overheads are out of the question.

Yep more push downs for me

Big B
06-05-2009, 08:19 AM
Yep more push downs for me

why don't you throw some deca in?

Buck Wild
06-05-2009, 04:08 PM
why don't you throw some deca in?

cuz i am on 500mgs of tren ew right now. Will switch to npp after 6 more weeks of tren

GRIM
06-09-2009, 11:56 AM
Glad I'm not the only one who can't do certain tri movements, hurts like a mofo!

Big B
06-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who can't do certain tri movements, hurts like a mofo!

I wear knee brace for my elbows...never had problem since I started wearing them about 6 months ago

GRIM
06-26-2009, 10:56 AM
I know a guy who does as well, I just don't like wearing braces myself.

Gator
06-26-2009, 09:43 PM
I might have to try that.

Big B
06-27-2009, 09:10 PM
I might have to try that.

trying to push Buck to try it to save his elbows...

Gator
06-27-2009, 10:43 PM
Im really excited to see how that npp treat him. From what I've heard you don't get the bloat from it like deca. I loved how deca made my joints fill but it really bloated my up to were it was a health issue. If I could get the joint relief from a compound with out that bloat that would be a nectar from the gods. Like grim said Im not much for wearing braces it makes me fill old and crippled :o

Big B
06-28-2009, 11:13 AM
Im really excited to see how that npp treat him. From what I've heard you don't get the bloat from it like deca. I loved how deca made my joints fill but it really bloated my up to were it was a health issue. If I could get the joint relief from a compound with out that bloat that would be a nectar from the gods. Like grim said Im not much for wearing braces it makes me fill old and crippled :o

i guess I'm old and crippled :( yes npp did me wonder last summer. great on joint of course and gained good size from it as well

GRIM
06-29-2009, 11:01 AM
trying to push Buck to try it to save his elbows...
I thought you'd want him to save his knees! :p