Can McCain

[GRIM]

Lie anymore?

I'm sorry I still am not supporting either, but jesus fng christ. Almost every word out of his mouth is flat out lies, attacks on Obama other than saying what he will actually do.

Using fear and nothing more.

What a shame.

[agentsmith]

Lie anymore?

I'm sorry I still am not supporting either, but jesus fng christ. Almost every word out of his mouth is flat out lies, attacks on Obama other than saying what he will actually do.

Using fear and nothing more.

What a shame.Take a stroll over to DB and read the "piss test thread" and tell me Obama will be better than Mccain. I don't like mccain either but to me its a no brainer

[Juiced]

Qualified to lead





I tried verifying through Snopes an email with a letter written by Joe Porter, I rec'd this morning. Snopes doesn't appear to have it in their research data base as of yet. So, I decided to phone the number provided at the end of the letter. Mr. Joe Porter answered the phone, the real deal he claimed. A very pleasant man, polite & well spoken, genuinely sincere. We had a cordial conversation for about 15 minutes. He asked for my email addy so he could send me a copy of his original letter, of which, he said he only sent to 12 people this summer, while giggling, & from there said it took on an internet life of it's own. He said he's had over 12,000 phone calls since, and appreciates every one, whether in agreement or not, he treats all with respect. His verification email arrived just as he said it would, within moments after our conversation ended. His email was from his studios name, IP addy from studio verified.

He said he knows his original letter has been altered as it traveled through the internet, so he wanted to make sure I had his words accurate with emailing me the original...since I asked his permission to post his letter on a public website. Mr. Porter makes valid points. Including the valid point that we have become too much about being either Republican or Democrat, rather than judge the candidates themselves on proven merit & political record.

I realize many won't take the time to read & comprehend the letter I post below...as it's "too long". That's sad really, because reading is how we are taught to inform, educate, stimulate thought in ourselves from Kindgergarten on.

Dear Friends:

My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign, Illinois. I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are "two Americas " - but that every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they want to be if they'll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.

The purpose of this message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called "news", thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can't understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending. They don't want government handouts. They want the government to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.

We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right?

I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it "change". "Change what?” I ask. "Well, we're going to change America ", they say.
"In what way?” I query. "We want someone new and fresh in the White House", they exclaim.. "So, someone who's not a politician?", I say. "Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama", they state.
"So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?" "No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change." And so it goes. "Change we can believe in."

Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of stuff. "Change, change, change." I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth - other than the fact that he claims he's going to implement a lot of change.

We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, "What qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?" CHANGE WHAT?

Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton, look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady?

The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.
For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.
Here's a question - "Where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take." John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.

When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first. Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.
Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq. Barack Obama is fond of saying "We honor John McCain's service...BUT...", which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, "Let's forget this man's sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change."

I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President - he wants to lead America, and there's a huge difference. Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in1981 and elected to the Senate in1982.

Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don't care about McCain's service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe "likeability" is a higher priority for them than "trust". Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.

Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, "Enough." It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.

There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.

I want a President who's qualified to lead. I want my country back, and I'm voting for John McCain.

Joe W. Porter

[GRIM]

Take a stroll over to DB and read the "piss test thread" and tell me Obama will be better than Mccain. I don't like mccain either but to me its a no brainer
I don't believe Obama will be a 'better leader' most of what McCain supporters and McCain however is spouting off is total falsehoods.

Study after study shows McCain's plan growing the deficit more than Obama, study after study shows more getting tax cuts under Obama than McCain simply for starters.

[Juiced]

there not tax cuts they are credits. Where do you think those credits are coming from?

[GRIM]

there not tax cuts they are credits. Where do you think those credits are coming from?
Hmm considering the studies I have read show the 'credit' and 'welfare' angle being claimed by McCain's side is in fact false ;)

McCain himself is giving 'tax credits' where are they coming from?

hmmmmmmmmm

[Juiced]

Hmm considering the studies I have read show the 'credit' and 'welfare' angle being claimed by McCain's side is in fact false ;)





Show me source!!!!!

[GRIM]

Show me source!!!!!
Of what item?

McCain 'giving credits' or?

I think both sides stink ;)

W/O spending too much time most every attack coming out of McCain's end has been proven to be false, I find it shocking that people continue to eat it up.

McCain on Obama's tax plan has been shown over and over and over again to be false.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/spread_the_tax_hooey.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_welfare.html

[Shasta]

Ill tell you what change I want. I want this country to stop outsourcing so many jobs as well as letting foreign companies take over. For example, the auto industry. The big three are comming down fast! tehre is a threat of 30000 people in my area with their jobs threatened with this chrysler situation. Foreign cars are made and sold cheaper. They are more economy friendly and last longer. Gas prices rise, and BAM! People want the cheaper, more ecofriendly car (hence the Toyota or Honda over the GM or ford) because they want to save money so they can afford to feed their family with rising food prices which where an effect of rising gas prices. This casues the domestic companies to start losing profit. There for they need to make cuts so they dont create a defecit. Gas prices rise more so do food prices which cause Giant gorcery chains to start outsourcing their jobs so they can keep a surplus along with paying cheap laberors across teh world, and more people are wnating to buy foreighn cars,. Obviously this keeps happening and the lack of profit eventually becomes a defecit which causes people to lose their jobs. This causes people to scramble for more jobs.
Gas prices go up agian and the same thing happens. This point thounds lose their jobs causeing people to scramble for even a lesser living than what they have made. This causes unemployme nt to rise from lack of jobs in the area which causes people whom where once able to make payments on their mortgages to foreclose.
Meanwhile we are spending billions in this Iraq war and have had a major natural disaster which causes a n even bigger debt than what we have had. This makes the value of the dollar less, which makes the cost of living go up and nothing to compensate on our paycheck.
Now no one can afford to make payments because the domestic automarket is going down which in responce people have to cut spending, buy used or cheap foreign cars and move out of their houses because interest rates are rising form other people forclosing as the bank is trying to save its ass from crashing. Then bank after bank have to bail eachother out becasue they cant afford to operate anymore from the astronomical loss of money. This causes the demand on domestic and now even international goods to drop. Investors freak, and sell shares that no one wnats to buy because it is on a downward spiral causing companies to lose profit which means cutbacks on funds and services, which means more job loss! In response to all the job loss, healthcare becomes an issue because no one can afford it without a job causeing less and less people to go to the doctors. This all adds up! (IMO)

Unfortunatly for the Republican Party this looks really bad on them because this is all happening under a Republican regime.

This is what I want changed!

[Juiced]

I work in the"big Three" . What people dont see with the Chevy -Chrysler deal are the underlying peopl that are going to lose there jobs. there are about 250000 jobs at risk with this deal.part of the reason the big three is going down fast is cause of the NAFTA , Whare did that come from?

And we need to be "ONE" country instead of two parties, .

[GRIM]

The 2 party system sucks ;)

[Shasta]

**** nafta!